Inflame Appliances Ltd — Important, 05-06-2026: Company Update
INFLAME APPLIANCES LIMITED
ADD.: Village Bagwali, Khasra No. 40/14-15-16-17/1, Block - Raipur Rani, Nh - 73, Panchkula, Haryana-134202, India.
Regd. Office: - Khewat Khatoni No. 45/45, Khasra No. 942/855/1 Village Kalyanpur, Tehsil- Baddi, Solan, Himachal Pradesh-173205, India.
Website: www.inflameindia.com, Email id: cs@inflameindia.com, M: 7496979231, CIN: L74999HP2017PLC006778
Date: June 05, 2026
To,
BSE Limited
Corporate Relation Department
Phiroze Jeejeebhoy Towers,
Dalal Street,
Mumbai – 400 001
Dear Sir/ Ma’am,
Subject: Update on Earnings call for the half year and year ended March 31, 2026-H2 FY26 – Transcript.
Ref: Inflame Appliances Limited (Security Id.: INFLAME, Security Code: 541083)
In continuance of our earlier intimations dated May 25, 2026, and Pursuant to Regulation 30 of SEBI (Listing
Obligations and Disclosure Requirements) Regulations, 2015, please find enclosed the transcript of the
Company’s Earnings Call held on Monday June 01, 2026, at 12:00 P.M. IST to discuss the financial results for the
half year and year ended March 31, 2026. The transcript has also been made available on the Company’s website
at www.inflameindia.com
Kindly take the same on your record and oblige us.
Thanking you,
Yours faithfully,
For, Inflame Appliances Limited
Aditya Kaushik
Chairman and Managing Director
DIN: 06790052
Place: Panchkula
Encl: A/a
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POST EARNINGS CONFERENCE CALL
June 1, 2026 12:00 PM IST
Management Team
Mr Amit Kaushik - Chief Executive Officer
Mr. Anusheel Kaushik - Director
Call Coordinator
Strategy & Investor Relations Consulting
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Presentation
Moderator: Ladies and gentlemen, on behalf of the Kaptify Consulting Investors
Relation Team, I welcome you all to H2 and FY26 Post Earning
Conference Call of Inflame Appliances Limited. Today on the call from
the management we have with us Mr. Amit Kaushik, CEO and Director,
Mr. Anusheel Kaushik, Director.
As a disclaimer, I would like to inform all of you that this call may
contain forward-looking statements which may involve risks and
uncertainties. Also, this is a reminder that this call is being recorded.
I would now request the management to detail us about the business
performance highlight for the period ended March 2026 and growth
perspective and the vision for the upcoming years, post which we will
open the floor for Q&A. Over to the management.
Amit Kaushik: Good morning, everyone. I am Amit Kaushik, CEO and Director of
Inflame Appliances Limited. We have closed the last financial year with
a lot of positives, some uncertainties towards the end of the year due to
geopolitical situations. However, still we are very satisfied and happy
with the growth and with the commitments from our entire Inflame
team. We have had a growth of about 41%, 42% and EBITDA growth
of about 55% in the previous year, which has resulted in higher
EBITDA margins and higher PAT. The earning per share has also
grown by about 85%.
As far as chimneys were concerned, we produced about 270,000
numbers against 195,000 numbers in the previous year, which was up
38% last year. And the capacity utilisation has also reached close to
50%, including both the plants. Panchkula kept on doing better year-
on-year.
Hyderabad has registered about 31% growth and Panchkula about 42%
growth. The reason for Hyderabad plant in terms of chimneys for this
31% growth is that all the new products like built-in ovens and wine
coolers and refrigerators were developed at Hyderabad. So, new and
better products, value-added products are being considered at
Hyderabad plant.
We were also under capacity expansion because we were expecting
higher number of orders since last year, which are already evident from
our order book right now. So, Panchkula, we were doing a CapEx
expansion of about INR10 crore in which 50,000 square feet of new
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construction area was planned, of which one floor is already ready and
due to be in operations in next two, three days. It will give us an
additional capacity of about 12,000 to 15,000 chimneys, thereby
increasing the total capacity of chimney production. And this year, we
are targeting a growth of another 45%, 50% in terms of number of
chimneys and total revenues.
The key highlights were that as to the industry witnessed input cost
pressure due to rupee depreciation, geopolitical developments and
higher raw material prices, which impacted our overall cost structures.
Till March, we were not able to pass on this price to our customers.
However, in the recent past, we have started passing on the prices to the
customers and I think another 1.5, two months, this entire pressure
would be passed on, by passing on to the customers or by reduction in
our own input cost by use of alternate material and alternate suppliers.
We have also incorporated another associate company by the name of
Tricoree Machmatrix Private Limited. Inflame has a 34% stake in it.
This capacity is being built for electronics and IoT-enabled products,
smart control solutions and support -- which will support technology-
led growth and backward integration. We have a fear that Government
of India might bring motors also under BIS preview and all BLDC
motors are being imported from China right now. We also feel that the
imports of electronic parts such as PCB and switches might come under
a lot of pressure because not only because of rupee depreciation, but
Yuan RMB has also appreciated considerably in last three, four months,
which has led to the increase in the prices by Chinese suppliers also. So,
we believe that keeping very high inventories and depending upon
China under such volatile situation, wherein geopolitical issues are
actually creating a lot of price fluctuation, and the same cannot be
passed on every now and then to the customers.
So, we thought to start developing a setup in India in association with
the industry experts and keeping a sizable stake of Inflame into it so that
we can control the proceedings over there. So, the idea is to manufacture
BLDC motors in the first phase and electronics in the second phase and
then go to IoT-enabled products and smart control solutions, which is
going to be the future in Indian market. So, we are trying to set up the
things so that once Government of India comes out with such proposal
and they allow us six months or one year time to sort out the things, we
are already prepared with our backward integration in the facility.
So, this is it from my side right now. I am happy to answer any
technology or technical questions or the advancements we are doing
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technologically. Mr. Anusheel Kaushik, my fellow Director, is also
available who could answer all technology-related questions also.
Thank you.
Question-and-Answer
Moderator: Thank you. [Operator Instructions] We will take the first question from
Nishant.
Nishant Joshi: Am I audible, sir?
Amit Kaushik: Yeah, you are audible.
Nishant Joshi: So, sir, I have a query regarding because I have attended last conference
also, wherein we were foreseeing that around 30,000 plus, 32,000
chimneys production per month would be coming in second half year,
but ideally we closed on a lower number there. Despite the performance
has been good, but possibly you were expecting or management was
expecting a strong second half year. Is it due to some loss in order or
less of new orders coming in or something related to industry which
has...
Amit Kaushik: Yeah, it was entirely related to the industry. There was a fear in the
market. The demand was softened quite a lot. The way third quarter had
gone, we were expecting fourth quarter to be a bumper one, which
unfortunately was not. And all our major buyers, which includes IFB,
Crompton, Hindware, Havells, they were all short of orders. So, it was
entirely because of geopolitical situation and the demand from the
market side.
Nishant Joshi: So, sir, can you share your view for going forward about industry and
about Inflame also regarding chimney as a product? How do you see
next 12, 15, 18 months?
Amit Kaushik: See, as of now, we are registering a growth of about 40%, 50% month
on month if we really talk about the present. And I think this trend is
going to be there. Number two, we have added certain customers in the
past thinking that one day they will become big. And they have started
showing -- their order books have increased three, four times. And one
such customer is Havells with us, where the business has grown multi-
fold. And in fact, the pressure is to supply more to them. So, I think with
the opening up of such customers and Hindware again back on track
after 1, 1.5 years of disruption at their end, which was primarily because
of change of certain key management people. Now, they are also back
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on the same level what they used to be earlier. So, the order book is very
good now. Once this new setup which we were expanding is complete,
I think the quantum jump would also come.
Nishant Joshi: You can take my second question also, sir. Sir, as we have been bringing
more new products, can you give a view outlook for next 12, 15 months,
how company foresee that? How much new business can we garner
from the new products?
Amit Kaushik: There were two things in bringing in new products. The first thing was
that we wanted to give this facility to our existing customers that the
product that you have stopped from China, if we have to do that in India,
then I am ready to work Inflame to give you support. And this was a
very big reason for de-risking from our point of view and not to let the
customer run anywhere else.
To do competition alone in Chimney as a product and to have all their
products with us, our dependency on them has reduced and theirs on us
has increased. I also want to tell you that in the month of April, before
Canton exhibition, we held a small exhibition here for three days in
Panchkula, wherein we had showcased about 25 new models, which
were all fresh, nothing copied from anywhere and some new
technologies. We also showcased them, our built-in microwaves and
dishwashers, for which we have started getting a lot of pressure from
the buyers to start them as early as possible. However, when you start a
new product, it takes a lot of bandwidth, energy, planning. You should
not have a problem with the supply chain later on. You have to take care
of that as well.
So, we are in the process. In fact, one of the largest manufacturers of
these products in China, they are Midea and one more company is there
by the name Galanz. So, their director, Galanz director is visiting us in
the next couple of days to our Hyderabad plant to discuss the supply
chain issues with us. So, these products, the market is still at the
inception stage, but still they will support us so much that when we want
to do the target of INR450 crores, INR500 crores next year, then that
cannot be achieved from chimneys. At that time, the revenue share of
chimneys it will come down drastically, but hobs,BIS would have been
implemented on it by then. Hobs and built-in microwaves, dishwashers,
all these products would start contributing considerably.
Let me give you an example that the average selling price of a built-in
refrigerator is about INR38,000, INR40,000 and the price of a built-in
oven -- sorry, wine cooler is about INR30,000, INR35,000. If we make
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20 pieces of refrigerator and 30 pieces of microwave -- sorry,
refrigerator per day, then also it contributes INR50 crores, INR70 crores
once we achieve that level. Now, by combining both, we are able to
make 14, 15 pieces per day. So, once we go to 50 pieces per day, then
its average selling price contributes very strong. And built-in
microwave, dishwasher, this is also a range product of INR15,000,
INR22,000 rupees. And the best thing is that all these products are not
made by any other company.
So, we create a USP already. We have created a USP for these products
and now all the buyers in India know that if this product is not available
anywhere, then Inflame will make it. So, we have been able to establish
that -- conceptually it is clear to everyone that Inflame can do this work.
Nishant Joshi: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from Bala. Bala, you can go
ahead.
Bala Murali Krishna: Hi, good morning. Good morning, sir. Actually, in the last call, I had
some expectation about the new products after your China visit. Is there
any update on that?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, I have just given the update. The new products only, sir. I have also
named the products and I have also given the update right now.
Bala Murali Krishna: Sorry, Amit, I will go to the transcripts. And lastly, on this other
products, so we are hanging around 5% to 10% in the past one or two
years. So, where do you see this thing in the current year?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, I cannot say current year, but going forward, chimneys will
contribute about 60%, 65% only.
Bala Murali Krishna: Okay. So, how the margins can shape up? So, when we when we ramp
up these other products, we think 10%. So, then maybe in this year,
maybe we can do 15% or 20%. So, how would be the, how would be
the margins?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, I have always, be of this view that once your top line goes up, the
margins automatically goes up, sir. Because whatever our R&D or
whatever our expenditure on technology is, the major cost is our
manpower. If you see my overall structure, after raw material, sir, the
highest what we pay is the manpower. So sir, my manpower is more or
less fixed for INR150 crore or INR250 crore or INR350 crore, sir.
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Variable is only adding more assembly lines and probably some more
manpower in the assembly worker stage or a couple of more
supervisors. So sir, the margin is going to go up with the quantum
anyway.
If this year we are moving with the target of 50% growth, let's say, sir,
we do, INR200 crore, INR225, then this EBITDA will also increase
automatically, sir, and the margins will also increase automatically.
Because a lot of our expenditure, sir, in R&D and everything else that
has to happen has already been booked, sir.
Bala Murali Krishna: So this time we’ve seen some improvement in gross margins Due to
commodity inflation?
Amit Kaushik:
Sir, if there was no commodity inflation, sir, the margins could have
been enormous, sir. Whatever I used to say, sir, it comes this time. If
you see the raw material consumption of H1 and H2, sir, it is up from
70% to 75%. Sir, the fluctuation of the dollar alone has given us INR70
lakh, INR80 lakh rupees of difference has been created there apart from
the raw material prices.
Sir, we have just started opening LCs in RMB and purchasing from this
month itself, from the month of May. I don't know how beneficial it will
be in the coming time, but definitely the answer to this problem is only
one that we start manufacturing these products also in India. And that
is why we have created this. We are going to be part of this joint venture
with other two people. The BLDC motors and PCB switches, in the next
two years, we will phase them out. First, the motors should be cleared,
sir. Once our hands are up with the motor manufacturing, then we will
get into electronics also, sir. And with that, sir, our raw material
inventory of China, sir, in the BLDC motors today, 37%, 38% is from
China. And our 60% of production has gone to BLDC now.
So, we hope in another one or two years, it will be 70%, 80% BLDC
and in that, our RMC component, our dependency on China has
increased, sir. So, it is important to reduce that. That will give us --
improve our margins further.
Bala Murali Krishna: Thanks a lot.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from Meet Mehta. Meet, you
can go ahead.
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Meet Mehta: Hi, am I audible?
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir.
Meet Mehta: Yeah. Thank you for the opportunity. So, I just wanted to get a sense on
what is the current scenario of BIS implementation?
Moderator: Meet, there is a lot of disturbance behind you.
Meet Mehta: One second.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, I have understood your question, Meet.
Meet Mehta: Yeah. Can I continue or you would answer this?
Amit Kaushik: Yeah. The BIS on chimneys was already implemented two years back
and the results are now evident. There are still some companies who are
bringing in CKD or SKD, but they are facing a lot of problems in
converting them because of availability of glasses and other issues. So,
now these companies have realized, come to a realization that
importation of SKD, CKD is very difficult. So better change them with
the Indian products. And keeping that in mind, sir, we had done an
exhibition in which we had offered fresh 25, 30 models to all the
customers and everyone came. Right from Havells to IFB to Crompton,
every customer, single customer who is buying from us and who are not
buying from us, everyone came to the exhibition and they understood
that now the time has come that these products should be manufactured
in India.
So BIS has been completely implemented on chimneys. In this financial
year, Hob will also be established. Its business has not grown as it
should have because companies are still continuing to buy Hobs from
China. But I am sure in the next one year's time, sir, Hob will also come
completely from China. It will come in CKD and SKD, sir, because
components are not being made in India now. And even all these bigger
products that we are talking about will be depending upon China for
imports of these products. Because for so little quantum, sir, it is not
viable to create a support industry here. Otherwise, sir, as far as chimney
is concerned, which is our major product, it will be completely
indigenized, sir.
Meet Mehta: Okay, thank you for the answer. And the second question was, what is
the approval cycle? If a new plant is on board, how long does it take to
convert it?
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Amit Kaushik: Sir, it depends from customer to customer. If the customer is like KAFF,
we can approve a new product in 15 days to 1 months’ time. But when
it comes to customers like Hindware, Havells, IFB, Crompton, they take
about 2, 2.5 months, sir.
Meet Mehta: Okay, understood. Thank you so much. I will get back in the queue.
Amit Kaushik: Thank you, sir.
Moderator: We will take the next question from Pawan. Pawan, you can go ahead.
Pawan Kumar: Hello, Amitji.
Amit Kaushik: Namaste, Pawan sir.
Pawan Kumar: How are you?
Amit Kaushik: I am fine, sir.
Pawan Kumar: Okay. I have two, three questions. One is, what is the revenue guidance
for FY27 and '28? And when do you see the company reaching a
revenue of INR500 crores? Just a little bit 10%, 15% here and there is
okay, but you know, roughly.
Amit Kaushik: So, we will be targeting INR400 crores plus in '28, for sure. Because
now we have the products and we have the facility with the new
expansion. All the space constraints will be over, sir. Although only one
part is complete out of three, but one part has also, will also contribute
substantially. So, I feel that in '28 and '29, we should go for a revenue
of INR500 crores, sir. Otherwise also, sir, we are targeting 50% of
growth this year.
Pawan Kumar: Okay. Thank you. Thank you so much. The other thing is, in the last
concall, you said that there is a visibility of 4 lakh chimneys in FY27.
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir. We are targeting 4 lakh chimneys this year.
Pawan Kumar: So, we are still on that, right?
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir. We are targeting, sir. So, 270 we have done this year. If we
talk of 50% growth, sir, it will be about 4 lakhs.
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Pawan Kumar: Correct. Okay. Next is, are we looking for any automation from
automation point of view, like, in the manufacturing side?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, we are doing lot of automation.
Pawan Kumar: To optimize some cost and then, you know, margins will be higher.
Amit Kaushik: We have been doing it for last 1.5 years. I would like Mr. Anusheel
Kaushik, Director with us, who is looking after all automation and
technological-related issues in the company. He should be able to
answer this question, sir. Mr. Anush.
Anusheel Kaushik: Yes, sir. We are targeting automation on some processes which are
critical. But more than automation, I think, we are targeting with help
of some of our friends in Mumbai to automize the quality control in the
company through AI-based camera visions and through the database,
which will help us to gather information about the quality process. See,
in manufacturing, the quality checking takes a lot of time. So our idea
is to increase that -- to decrease that time and to increase our production.
So, automation with respect to quality checking is already happening.
And the rest, as of now, all the critical processes are being shifted to
automation slowly and slowly.
Pawan Kumar: Okay. Thank you.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, we have a plan for a glass plant wherein, sir, there is zero manpower
deployed and the production goes 250%. But it requires a lot of
investment. Once we cross INR250 crores, INR300 crores, we would
certainly go for those types of plants also. The plants have already been
discussed. The plans have been discussed. The entire concept has been
discussed three, four times during last visits to China. We have visited
the suppliers who will do it. So, automation to any extent is possible.
But as Anusheel said, sir, in quality control, if you are strong in quality
inspection, then your rework is saved, sir. Your problem is detected at
that stage, because of which, sir, your production will have an impact
of at least 15%, 20% on time.
Pawan Kumar: Yeah, understood. Okay. Amitji, there is one more question I had. This
motor manufacturing initiative, I heard -- I think in the PPT, I saw or
some declaration that INR1 crore investment is done in some company,
right? 38% or something you have acquired. Can you throw some more
light on it, like what is the larger plan?
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Amit Kaushik: Sir, we have a Flamecraft company by the name of Flamecraft, which
is located in Hyderabad. There, 51% of sheet metal is held by Inflame.
Sir, there are three types of processes in our industry. One is special
process, like glass plant or BLDC motors. I am not talking about AC
motors. I am talking about special grade BLDC motors, right, sir? And
the second product is sheet metal. In India, there are a lot of
manufacturers of sheet metal, sir. Even in automobiles, you see, in the
general industry, in the air conditioning industry, there are a lot of sheet
metal requirements, right, sir? It's not a very productive thing, in which
you have to put a lot of bandwidth. So we are slowly taking those
processes out of our factory premises. And we will do a lot of focus
assembly in our factory, sir. And we will do those processes which are
very difficult to take from outside. Or if we give it outside, then sir, we
give someone a chance to supply that process to us and master it. And
then they start supplying to other buyers also.
For that, sir, we also do joint ventures. So, the motor manufacturing
specific that you have asked, sir, we have not made any investment in
that, sir. We have not made any investment. We have just formed the
company along with these two people. Now, everything is running on
machines and land, sir. And you can also understand, sir, that it is not
the appropriate time to disclose all those things now. That what, when,
who, how, there will also be an appropriate time for that, sir. We will
disclose it on the exchange. And then we would be ready to take
questions and ready to give answers to all your queries on that project.
But for now, it is necessary to understand, sir that this is a future
preparedness to stay on the pole position. Glass is ours, sir. Motor and
this is also ours. So, then there is only sheet metal left in the chimney,
sir.
Pawan Kumar: Okay, tell me one more thing that we have a dependency from China.
Apart from the motor, is there any other dependency of ours? Or is it
broadly motorized?
Amit Kaushik: The whole thing comes from China. The entire electronic is coming
from China, which includes switches also. After that, sir, a heat element
is also not successful in India yet. That is also an expensive product, sir.
It is a product of INR150, INR160, INR170. So, every chimney has one
heating element through which a heat auto-clean chimney is made, sir.
Now, you have seen everything, motion sensor and heat auto-clean
runs, sir. So it comes for heat auto-clean. Now, there is a major
dependency on these three products as far as chimneys are concerned,
sir.
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In all other products, sir, apart from glass and packaging and electrical,
which has the main lead, it is in BIS preview, sir. We import all other
things from China, sir, all the components, in all other products.
Whether it is your Hob or your built-in refrigerator and all those things,
sir.
Pawan Kumar: Okay, thank you. I will join back in the queue. That's all for now and
wish you all the best.
Amit Kaushik: Thank you, sir. Thank you very much.
Moderator: We will take the next question from Achut. Achut, you can go ahead.
Achuth Pabbath: Hello, sir. Firstly I want to congratulate on great set of members year-
on-year.
Amit Kaushik: Thank you, sir.
Achuth Pabbath : Yeah. I'm checking quarter 4 members, sir, the press release you have
done in April. So, why there is slowdown in quarter 4, sir? The chimney
volumes increased only 20% and the revenue increased only 11%. What
is the reason for it?
Amit Kaushik: So, the raw material prices had gone up sir. If you really look at the raw
material consumed during H1 and H2, you will find a difference of
about 4% to 5%, sir. So, when the H1, sir, we had about 70% odd raw
material consumed. But in H2, it went up to about 75%. And the major
increase had come in quarter 4 only, sir. Sir, we all know that after this
disruption in Middle East, the prices for raw material have really shot
up. Even we had a lot of problems initially, sir, to source our -- to source
gas also, sir. Because some operations in the factory are dependent upon
gas. So, we had -- the time has gone. Now, we are getting the gas
supplies regularly.
But there was a period of about three weeks when we had a lot of issues
in gas procurement also, sir. So, Q4 was under a lot of pressure because
of price increase in various components and the weakening of INR vis-
à-vis dollar.
Achuth Pabbath: So, that impacted your volume, sir, or revenue as well, sir? Because
volume increased by 20%.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, volume impact always comes from the market situation, sir. The
revenue impact comes from the raw material prices and other various
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factors also, sir, which includes, of course, foreign currencies
appreciation or depreciation or fluctuation, I mean, or other things also.
So, the volume impact is because the market demand was very soft in
the Q4 and the revenue thing is because of the higher input cost.
Achuth Pabbath : And how is it now, sir? Like we are only two months down the quarter
one. Is the demand recovered or still we are seeing?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, demand has recovered. The demand has recovered. The prices are
still under negotiation. Some customers have already given it. Some
customers are under consideration. So, from June, everything should be
restored. But the demand is up, sir, definitely. I have just mentioned that
we are targeting 50% growth and two months have gone and we have
almost, I mean, achieved those growth parameters. We are on track.
Achuth Pabbath : So, are you confident on getting, I mean, maintaining a similar margin,
sir, on 50% growth?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, even if the margins are slightly lower, the net profits would go up,
sir, both in terms of percentage and thing because we are concentrating
on a good number of growth, sir. Sir, 50% growth on INR100 crores or
50% growth on INR150 crores in terms of total revenue is a big
difference, sir. So, if we are able to achieve 50%, EBITDA margins and
every margin will go up, sir.
So, even if we have to lose a couple of percentage due to the raw
material price behaviour or fluctuation in foreign currency, we have
other avenues. As just now, Mr. Anusheel said that we are working on
AI-backed, visual inspection systems through camera. That should give
us 15%, 20% of increase in our total output because our time study says
10%, 15%, 20% is going towards inspection thing. So, manpower cost
will come down, sir. Rest, overall cost will also come down. We have
a lot of expectations in this year which will mitigate the behaviour of
our raw material prices, sir.
Achuth Pabbath : Okay, sir, understood. And are you able to pass on the raw material
prices to customers, sir?
Amit Kaushik: It is not 100%, sir. If I tell you the truth, sir, it is not 100%. So, when
such a situation comes, you have to take some through efficiency, some
through change of material mode, some through change of supplier, you
have to work continuously on 10, 12 parameters, sir. We have seen this
before, we all know that raw material prices had gone up by almost
100% 4 years back, sir. Even then, we were in a lot of stress. Even then,
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we found a way, sir. We did not pass on 100%, none of us passed on
100%, sir. So, everyone found a way. In fact, we had gone from 15%,
16% gross margin to 30% gross margin. We will go in the future, sir.
Because we have done it before and we know how to go ahead, sir. So,
our teams are working on it, sir.
Achuth Pabbath : And, sir, last question. Why you are not listing on main board, sir? What
is the reason for still in SME?
Amit Kaushik: I think Vinayji should answer this question. There is some criteria issue,
sir. As soon as we qualify, we will go on the main board also. It is not
that we are not wanting to go.
Achuth Pabbath: What is, I mean, what is stopping you, sir? Is it because of equity capital
or?
Amit Kaushik: Vinayji, can you please answer this?
Moderator: Once we are eligible, we will definitely go for it. I mean, that is all we
can say right now.
Achuth Pabbath: I mean, why you are not eligible? I just want to understand.
Moderator: I think from here on, we will be eligible. So, we will definitely work on
this.
Achuth Pabbath : But actually, the rule is only for 3 years, right? After 3 years, you can
migrate to main board. Most of the SMEs are planning to migrate to
main board. So, I just want to understand what is the reason you want
to stay in SME and not planning to migrate to main board.
Vinay Pandit: We can definitely consider this. Thanks.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take the next question from Sheikh. Sheikh, you
can go ahead. Hello, Sheikh. We will take a follow-up question from
Bala. Bala, you can go ahead.
Bala Murali Krishna: Kaushikji, thanks for the follow-up opportunity. So, question is
regarding the Hyderabad plant. So, when do you think the utilization
will improve? I think it is almost 2 years complete, right? But still,
utilization levels are very low as compared to our parent plant.
Amit Kaushik: We are not really looking to optimize from the capacity utilization point
of view from Hyderabad. We have realized that we need one plant
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where very exclusive products and value-added products should be
taken care of. So, we are concentrating on that part, sir. For capacity
enhancement and other things, we have Panchkula plant where we are
working for masses. In that plant, we want to work for premium
products only.
Bala Murali Krishna: Okay. And in Panchkula, I think we are taking some new capacity
additions. So, that is already completed or it is about to complete, sir?
Amit Kaushik: Where, sir? Panchkula?
Bala Murali Krishna: So, INR8 crores to INR10 crores CapEx we have done.
Amit Kaushik: I have already explained, sir. Just now, I have explained in detail that
one part is already completed out of 3 and next 3, 4 days, we will start
utilizing one part. I mean, ground floor is ready. So, we will start using
ground floor. First and second are already under construction. So, once
they are available to us, second part should be available to us by 15th
of August and third part by probably 30th of September. So, as and
when we get one part completed, we will start using it.
Bala Murali Krishna: Okay. Thank you.
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir.
Moderator: Thank you. Just to answer the other participants' question on the main
board, there are two criteria we are not meeting right now. One is the
paid-up capital of minimum INR10 crores and the net worth of at least
INR75 crores. So, once we cross that, then we will be eligible to move
to the main board. Yeah, you can continue.
Moderator: Yeah. Next question from Sheikh. Sheikh, you can go ahead.
Amit Kaushik: Hello. Yes, Mr. Sheikh.
Shaikh Mujeeb Ahmed: Hello. Can you hear me?
Amit Kaushik: Yes.
Shaikh Mujeeb Ahmed: Yeah. Sorry for the interruption. Sir, one question. During the previous
concall, you told that the second half of the year, the demand you are
seeing, that means good enough. But what is the reason for the sudden
drop in the demand in the later half of the year?
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Amit Kaushik: Sir, there was no demand from the market. I think the biggest reason
could be what I can understand is the situation in Gulf. Probably, there
were people who were not very happy to spend money at that time. So,
the demands had gone down tremendously. We were expecting the last
quarter to be like INR55 crores, INR60 crores, but it was like INR35
crores, INR36 crores, INR37 crores maybe. So, there were not much of
orders in that period. And not from one customer, from the entire
customers we have. So, everyone was soft.
Shaikh Mujeeb Ahmed: Okay. So, and now you are seeing slowly the things are changing. That
means, in the first half of FY26-'27, you are seeing the better half in the
first -- for half of the year you are seeing better than the previous year.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, if we have to grow 50%, 40%, 40%, 50% growth, then we will have
to bring it month on month. Sir, it will not happen in one month. So, we
are taking the target like this, sir. Every month should be better than the
month of last year. So, we are achieving that now for two months. And
we hope it will happen in the future too, sir. If there is no such issue,
that the market sentiment gets bad, sir, if overall, the market slows
down, sir. So, I don't think, sir, that there will be any such major issue.
Because right now, the order position of 2-3 months is looking good,
sir.
Shaikh Mujeeb Ahmed: Okay, sir. Okay. Thank you very much, sir. Thank you.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take a follow-up question from Meet. Meet, you
can go ahead.
Meet Mehta: Hi. Thank you for the follow-up opportunity. My question is, from an
industry perspective, on an industry thing, how many appliances uses
the BLDC motor currently as a percentage or something? So, we wanted
to know that.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, BLDC is getting fast into the trend now. We have our own 60%
share in production. But at the same time, sir, we are the largest
producer of BLDC chimneys as of now, at least in the OEM sector. And
one reason for that is that we have an inventory of everything. I have
the full inventory of BLDC motors and switches. So, if a customer
comes, we never say that we can't give the goods, vis-à-vis, sir, there
are some other suppliers, manufacturers who have orders, then they
order from China, order the goods, and make it. So, we have that
advantage. And I think, sir, that I said a while ago that by the end of this
financial year, our BLDC, share of BLDC chimneys would go up to
about 80%.
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And it is a little specialized, sir, to make BLDC. Not everyone can do
it. So, sir, there will be competition in AC, but BLDC will remain a
special grade product, sir. It has become our specialization and we will
keep getting its advantage, sir, BLDC. And once we start producing
these BLDC motors and other components, which might take one year,
one and a half years for motors and another one, one and a half years
for electronics. So, two, two and a half years down the line, once we
have these components manufactured in India by a company where we
also have 34% stake from Inflame. So, I am sure, sir, we will be ruling
BLDC market in India.
Meet Mehta: Thank you so much. That's it.
Moderator: Thank you. We will take another follow-up question from Nishant.
Nishant, you can go ahead.
Nishant Joshi: Sir, can you share the unexecuted order book numbers as on date?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, orders are unexecuted every month. If there is any component issue
or a container gets delayed. Sometimes it happens. But...
Nishant Joshi: I mean to ask, sir, for how many periods we have the orders in hand
with us for two weeks, two months, three months or so? That was my
question.
Amit Kaushik: No, sir, every company only gives the firm schedule for a month, but
we know that Hindware will be requiring 10,000, Havells 5,000 or
8,000, 10,000, KAFF will take 6,000, 7,000, we know what share they
have in the market, how much they want to buy and how much business
share you have. We know that depending on all those things, sir. We
have a very comfortable order position now and we have more order
positions than the growth we are planning, sir, as of now. But no one
gives orders for three months or four months, sir. Because if you have
to give for three months, then the situation in China is the same, sir.
You have to plan three months in advance.
See, buying from an Indian supplier, the biggest advantage is that you
don't have to carry the inventories in advance. Whatever demand they
get from the market by the 20th or 22nd, they pass it on to us, sir.
Nishant Joshi: Thank you, sir. Thank you.
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Amit Kaushik: Okay, let me give you another answer. Our models are also fixed, right,
sir? For example, we give 40 models to Hindware, 35 models, for
example, or 12 models to Havells, or 18, 20 models to KAFF. So we
know, sir, that orders are going to come from these models. We have
already done a lot of common components in them, sir. There are
switches, there are panels, there are LED lights, there are motors. So we
manage inventory in the same way, sir. On a daily basis, you have to
buy a box, I mean, you have to buy packaging and make glass. So we
do that.
For many customers, there is only one body, sir. The products that go
to different customers, There is a difference in glass, there is a
difference in printing, there is a difference in the box. So we just have
to buy those variables. In that, in a week or 10 days, when we order, the
material keeps coming. So it's not such a difficult job, sir. If we get an
order for the next month by 27th or 28th, then we can execute it, sir. I
think that will answer your question in a better way.
Nishant Joshi: Yes, sir. Thank you, sir. Thank you.
Moderator: All right, sir. Sir, we have some questions in the Q&A window. One is
from Dishika, which is, what is the outlook on the order book for the
next 6 to 12 months? Do you see any challenges on that front?
Amit Kaushik: Yeah, so I have answered the same thing right now. Orders come
monthly, but I didn't see any challenge last year either. The order book
that we understood came, only Q4 was down. And that was unexpected.
At the same time, the Gulf issue started in Q4. And the second thing is
that our customers and their models are fixed. The model that we give,
the same model is only made by us. The other supplier doesn't do it. So
the performance of our product, which no question is asked, is that our
complaint ratio from the market is less than 1.5%. While China is much
higher than us. So customers are very happy buying from us because
our products are not giving them a lot of headache. And this is a
serviceable product.
It's a 10-year warranty product. Motors go on 10, 12 year warranties.
And our products are qualifying. That is why all these big buyers are
with us. Whether it's Crompton, IFB, Havells, Hindware, KAFF. They
do not compromise on the quality. If they get a complaint from the
market, they won't buy material from us. So order book depends upon
the performance of the product. And the performance of our products
are very good, excellent, I would say.
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Moderator: There's one question. Why is inventory so high on the books from Mr.
Lalit Bansal?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, inventories are higher because a lot of products have gone, are
coming from China now. And these products are not only related to
chimney, but 100% or 90% or 80%, whatever we call them, also for refs
and built-in ovens and all these things, which we are not manufacturing
even components in India. So we are buying them in SKD or CKD form
for hobs also. So we have to keep inventory of all those products, sir.
So inventories are high. But when we start manufacturing motors and
PCBs in India, then the 40%, 50% inventory that we are carrying will
be over, sir. It will be just in time because sourcing has to be done from
India, sir, like all the other products.
Moderator: And his follow-up question is, any plan for exports?
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir. There are a lot of plans for exports. And we are working on it
also. We have got some inquiries also. But at this time, sir, our OEM
pressure is on us. I think, sir, we should sustain our India's OEM
pressure up to 6 lakh chimneys. We should make an effort for exports.
But it is very important to keep a pole position in the Indian market, sir.
Moderator: And one more question. Now, any status or update on the hobs BIS?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, hobs' BIS has been postponed twice. This year, sir, it will hopefully
be finalized in September. After that, sir, hobs will stop being imported
as a product. Its assembly should start in India, sir.
Moderator: Another question is, any plan for promoters to raise stake as stock price
is down.
Amit Kaushik: We will consider doing it, sir. But right now, in the short run, the
possibility is less. But probably after Diwali, we might think of it.
Moderator: Thank you. Any closing comments before we end the call?
Pawan Kumar: Just a follow-up on the stock price. By when do you see the stock price
going up, Amitji?
Amit Kaushik: I don't know, sir.
Pawan Kumar: It is fluctuating.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, my work is to work.
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Pawan Kumar: I agree.
Amit Kaushik: I don't know when the stock price went up and how it went down, that
is not my forte. My work is, I am sure you would only ask me what
performance I am giving. And if you ask me that, it is better that you
put pressure on me for performance. Don't put pressure on me for stock
price.
Moderator: Sir, there is one follow-up question from Bijal. Bijal, you can go ahead.
Bijal Shah: Yeah, thank you Kaushikji for the opportunity. Sir, the first question is
that you said that the raw material cost has increased, it will pass on in
1, 1.5 months. So, if we look at the first half results, can there be
pressure on the margin in the first half results?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, there is already pressure on the margin, but I have told you that the
pressure on the margin is not clear only by that. It is not clear by pass-
on. It was not clear before and it will not be clear now. So, sir, you
become more efficient, you make more changes in your system. And as
Anusheel said that our inspection system will start in 1, 1.5 months, so
at least 2-3 months contribution will come from there. And then we are
concentrating on increase in turnover, increase in production. So, we
will mitigate it marginally from there, sir. We have already taken some
steps for efficiency improvement. We started doing that since February-
March when the problem came. Their results have also started coming.
But I am sure you will see good results in H1 also, sir.
Bijal Shah: We should expect stable margin. So, whatever pressure is there from
raw material cost will be offset by all the initiatives you are taking.
Amit Kaushik: We will absorb everything, sir.
Bijal Shah: Okay, sir. Secondly, sir, the JV that you have done, I understand you
have said that you cannot disclose much in it. But I wanted to
understand that those with whom you have done JV, they have expertise
for BLDC also, PCBA and switches. Or how it is going to work? I mean,
are you going to get into more JVs or this JV will take care of all of this,
you will hire other people. It would be good if you can give an idea on
that.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, now my focus is on import-substitute.
Bijal Shah: We import all three. BLDC and--
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Amit Kaushik: Sir, we import all the BLDCs. We also import motors and switches.
Both AC and DC are imported. So, first, sir, we want to concentrate on
BLDC motors because they are less valuable than electronics. Because
we feel that in the coming time, the government might put BIS on
motors. So, if BLDC is put on BIS, then we will have two options, we
search for someone from India. If we look for someone in India, then
there is no problem in importing BLDC motors from India. There is a
lot of problem of pricing, sir. Then it will put more pressure on the price.
So, that's why we felt that we should do this process ourselves. And we
should put our stake in it so that we don't give that material for
chimneys. If a good setup of BLDC is made, then there is a market
availability where there is a shortage of BLDC motors. So, we have a
very good option that apart from chimneys, we can also give BLDC for
other products from there. So, thinking about that, these people are
setting up the plant. And I have made it clear to you, sir. The purpose
of keeping 34% is that the development of chimneys that we will do in
the motors should remain with us, sir. No other competitor should be
able to take its benefit.
Bijal Shah: Okay, sir. I understand that. But sir, after making this JV BLDC, your
PCB assembly will be in this JV.
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir. It will be in this.
Bijal Shah: So, the team which is there is capable of doing all the three things. PCB,
switches and this thing.
Amit Kaushik: Sir, for PCB and switches, there will be different project heads
definitely. A person who is an expert of BLDC motors cannot be an
expert of PCB. And the expert of PCB will not have any special
knowledge in BLDC motors. So, the company plans to do different
heads for both. But in the beginning, sir, all the bandwidth and
concentration will be on the motors. Once the motor is established, its
performance is set and it comes into production. After that, sir, we will
start working on PCB. We are not taking all the projects at one go. We
want to take them one at a time, sir.
Bijal Shah: Okay, sir.
Amit Kaushik: So that the risk is less and our objective is achieved properly, sir.
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Bijal Shah: Sir, once you make a BLDC motor here, do you have to get approval
from all your customers separately?
Amit Kaushik: We have to, sir. Correct. We still take it, sir.
Bijal Shah: I understand.
Amit Kaushik: We take it even when we import it from China. It is a process of 1-1.5
months, sir. But in that 1-1.5 months process, sir, we have to do the
testing first, right, sir?
Bijal Shah: Yes, sir.
Amit Kaushik: Suppose, sir, we have to test a BLDC motor for 5,000, 4,000 or 3,000
hours. So, whether we do it or the Chinese do it or anyone else does it,
that process has to be done, sir. It is important, sir. And, sir, motors
require 10-10 years of warranty, so we cannot take any risk in that, sir.
Bijal Shah: Got it, sir. Sir, you have so many companies to assemble the PCBA so,
what is the reason? I understand that you need to Indianize the imported
switches plus BLDC motor. But there are so many companies for
PCBA, so what is the reason for doing PCBA in-house?
Amit Kaushik: Sir, there are many reasons. First of all, sir, the reason is that we develop
anything with someone. My past experience is that on the fourth day,
we show it to someone else, sir. How do you -- you can bind it as you
like, sir, but they don't agree. So, the things we want to make, sir, in the
coming time, there are a lot of technological advancements going to
take place in chimneys and other products. Why, sir, should I give a
chance to someone to make ready-made material available, sir? I mean,
should I give away all my secrets and all my technology to someone
else, sir? What will I have left, sir? The same thing will be given to
someone else.
This happens with China as well, sir. The product we develop, sir, after
6 months, after a year, they take the same sample and show it to
someone else. It is possible in China, sir, because there are 500 people
doing it. And secondly, sir, the rate of PCBs made in India is a big
problem, sir.
Bijal Shah: Okay, sir. Okay. Sir, now on Hobs and new products. So, on Hobs, you
expect it will be in September. So, I guess its benefit will come, I guess
next year, right?
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Amit Kaushik: Sir, this year we are not putting much pressure on our team, sir. Sir, we
have to line up all these products even in 2027, sir. For example, sir, we
have made 1,000 cooling products so far, whether it is a wine chiller or
a refrigerator. I am giving you an example, sir. So, our team, our people
are set, sir. There is no workforce to do this work, sir. You have to train
them with freshers, right, and sir? And not even this, sir, I am giving
this INR40,000, he is selling at a cap of INR1.5 lakh, that you will make
anything, you will give anything, right, sir? So, sir, you have to create
its infrastructure. And the most important human resource in
infrastructure, sir, is a man. More than technology, it is the role of
technicians, sir.
So, I am not under any pressure, sir. As much as we can make, as much
as we can do, that is fine, sir. We have to bring this year's growth from
the chimney. Next year's growth, sir, we have to bring from chimney
plus other products. This year, all our products should come in line, sir.
Dishwasher should also come. Everything should come. We make 100,
200, 500, everything. Make 1,000, 1,000 pieces. Next year, when we
are sitting, we will be sitting as a trained team for doing any product.
Anything should come. But this year, sir, don't take any pressure, sir.
Bijal Shah: Got it, sir. So, this year, your primary driver will be chimney. And you
will be preparing for next year, where all your processes...
Amit Kaushik: We will prepare all our product lines, sir. And as our two product lines
are completely ready, sir, those are built-in refrigerator and wine
coolers. Now, if someone tells us to make 200 pieces per month and
give 500, we can give, sir. In the same way, sir, built-in ovens are
already in the process. Sir, in 2-3 weeks, the quantum of built-in ovens
will go so much that the workforce will be completely trained on it.
After that, our dishwasher and built-in microwave will be left, sir. So,
that too, sir, will be set by December-January. The boys' hands are set,
sir. So, in March, we can stand up and say that from 2027-April
onwards, we are ready to give any number of these products.
Bijal Shah: Sir, what is the status of BIS in all this?
Amit Kaushik: It has come gradually, sir.
Bijal Shah: Sir, like after BIS came in the chimney, it was imported in CKD. Only
when BIS came in the glass, work started in India. So, according to that,
you can explain the status of the remaining four products in a little
detail. So, it will be very helpful, sir.
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Amit Kaushik: No, no, sir, this is a phase, sir. When BIS will come, it will take 2-3
years to be properly implemented. There is no such detailing in this, sir.
But in the mind of an importer, it comes to mind that if it is in BIS, then
there will be a problem. Now, sir, in all your ports of unloading, there
are visible cameras installed. They do scanning, sir. Whatever material
is inside, it is scanned and goes. So, all these scams that people used to
bring by declaring something else or by giving money, now it is
gradually ending, sir. Government is getting strict on these things. So,
you understand this, sir, this shop is going to run for 1-1.5 years. All
this is going to stay in Make in India. And in Make in India, sir, we are
in a very strong position now.
Bijal Shah: So, sir, in the remaining 4 products, there was no assembly in India till
now. Is that a correct assumption?
Amit Kaushik: Yes, sir.
Bijal Shah: And now, with you, how many players are there who are doing this?
Amit Kaushik: No one is doing it, sir. I have just made it, sir. No one is doing it.
Whoever wants this material, he says go to Inflame. Sir, it has such a
small market, who will touch it? We have done the expertise, sir. We
have started making it. It has become viable for us to make 500 pieces.
We have made that kind of setup. How will any person set up for it, sir?
The cost of the setup is there, sir.
Bijal Shah: Got it, sir. Sir, thank you very much and all the best.
Amit Kaushik: Thank you, sir. Thank you very much, sir.
Moderator: Thank you. There is a follow-up question from Achyut. Achyut, you
can go ahead.
Achuth Pabbath: Sir. Hello. Yes, sir. Sir, I want to know, like, are we planning any
planned visit in Hyderabad, sir?
Amit Kaushik: There is a planned visit in Hyderabad, sir. We keep visiting on and off,
sir. I mean, for discussions, meetings, there is a planned visit once or
twice a month, sir. So, it is not that we have to do anything special for
that. But we go anytime, sir.
Achyut Pabbath: Your voice is breaking.
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Moderator: No, I think he is trying to imply whether we plan a planned visit for
investors. Achyut, you can get in touch with our team. We will help you
out on that front.
Achuth Pabbath: Yeah, sure. Yeah. One more thing. You have told that because of equity,
we can't go to Main Board. So, do we have any plans, sir, in the near
future to increase the equity?
Moderator: Sir, these are very direct, forward-looking questions. We may not be
able to answer it right away. But at the right time, we will definitely get
in.
Sir, would you like to give any closing comment before we end this
call?
Amit Kaushik: Yeah, I would like to thank each and every member who attended the
meeting. And I can only assure that Inflame is on the right path. We
have the infrastructure set. And we will be in the leading position for
quite some time. Because whatever we have achieved, I can say from
the competition point of view and from the setup point of view,
whatever Inflame has achieved is tremendous. We are all set. Growth
path is visible. Orders are visible. Customers have a ,lot of trust on us.
Our products are performing very well in the market. So, they are all
very happy with us. So, I would only like to say and assure everyone
that things are going to happen from here onwards. Last year also was
good despite last quarter being very tough. We have still sailed well.
And the time coming is really a good time for us. Thank you very much.
Moderator: Thank you. This brings us to the end of today's call. Thank you to all
the participants and management. Thank you.
Amit Kaushik: Thank you very much, sir.
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